# Default qwerty layout and how it relates to alternate layouts

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**Category:** Model 01 Layouts\
**Created:** [November 10, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://community.keyboard.io/t/default-qwerty-layout-and-how-it-relates-to-alternate-layouts/128 "2016-11-10T00:19:47Z")\
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**Author:** ![bjn](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/community.keyboard.io/bjn/32/5337_2.png) [@bjn](https://community.keyboard.io/u/bjn)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://community.keyboard.io/t/default-qwerty-layout-and-how-it-relates-to-alternate-layouts/128/66 "2016-11-18T01:34:02Z")

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> [@bjn](#):
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> My suggestion, then, would be that for any engraved layouts which don’t have hjkl in the qwerty positions, the guideline is that the cursor arrows are in an inverted-T in the right hand home position.

OK, something I hadn’t taken into consideration here is that the up cursor would then be clashing with the default qwerty layout’s position for the } symbol, and so alternative layouts which would adhere to my suggestion would no longer be able to have the braces in the same place as they are in qwerty.

I propose in light of this that by convention the braces would be on R1C10 and R1C11 (that’s qwerty Y and U), which is one space to the left of the current design. To be totally clear, I mean to include the default qwerty layout in this.

This in turn displaces “play/pause”, but I’m assuming the placement of that was somewhat arbitrary and so its relocation would not be a problem.

Any thoughts?

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