# Initial Dvorak Layout

**URL:** <https://community.keyboard.io/t/initial-dvorak-layout/13>\
**Category:** Model 01 Layouts\
**Created:** [November 1, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://community.keyboard.io/t/initial-dvorak-layout/13 "2016-11-01T00:03:12Z")\
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**Author:** ![bjn](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/user_avatar/community.keyboard.io/bjn/32/5337_2.png) [@bjn](https://community.keyboard.io/u/bjn)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://community.keyboard.io/t/initial-dvorak-layout/13/172 "2017-08-30T18:49:26Z")

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@jesse, I saw via [another thread](https://community.keyboard.io/t/diagrams-of-final-layouts/270/2) you currently have this on keycaps-all.svg:

 ![42 AM](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/keyboard/original/1X/0d2f51891abfd14ac9b4b229f91f2496dbc27662.png)

I think there was pretty good consensus here in the Dvorak camp that a dedicated `\|` key was desirable in the bottom right, and stacking `PgUp` and `PgDn` on the same key was a nice way to make this possible (leaving `=+` to go far left home row). A few such sample layouts (printed labels would be identical in each case) are in [this post from December](https://community.keyboard.io/t/initial-dvorak-layout/13/153), for example this:

 ![Layout example](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex031/uploads/keyboard/original/1X/a360c875f43f966fc9e1b2024ee1052c6e0b4dc9.png)

It’s not clear whether you considered this and decided against it or if you didn’t see the suggestions. If the latter, is it too late to change what’s printed?

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